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OnePiece97

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I wanna run a sust, deca, anadrol cycle. Come here for recommendations on doses!
 
Exactly, Especially if you plan on taking test sust which has 4 different esters in it. Your hormone peaks are going to be a roller coaster if you dont have experience with it.
 
Yes my first cycle 6 years ago was sust. Goal is to bulk. This is my 5th or 6th cycle but it’s usually just test E that I blast and a little tren. Feels great on Tren besides my sleep obviously no other sides effects besides wanted to fuck fat chicks And 29 years old.
 
OnePiece97 said:
Yes my first cycle 6 years ago was sust. Goal is to bulk. This is my 5th or 6th cycle but it’s usually just test E that I blast and a little tren. Feels great on Tren besides my sleep obviously no other sides effects besides wanted to fuck fat chicks And 29 years old.
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.....so no prior cycles using deca or drol?
 
I see a lot of questions about prior runs..age..goals..
Honestly, older guys seem to handle Deca so much better..
I have no answer for that..personally, I've ran Deca for decades, on it Now..
With absolutely NO issues..
I've noticed over the years on forums, younger guys don't tolerate it at All..
So..the common route is NPP first..incase you don't agree with Deca..Honestly, the Only way to really know, is to Try it and see..
This is why I and others have asked..have you used these compounds separately..

Pro Tip..
Only one new compound per Cycle..
Because if the Cycle starts to go Sideways..you'll know what is causing it..and usually dropping that compound will save your Cycle..

If Bulk is your goal..
Test/Deca/Dbol is the Way to go..
Deca usually takes around 4 weeks to totally saturate..which requires a little longer run..
NPP is a faster Ester of Nan..
Usually, no water retention, quicker gains, joint relief, not so much as Deca..

If you want to try Deca..keep the Cycle simple..
Test around 4-600mgs per week..
Deca at 300mgs per week..
Run the cycle 14 weeks..
OR
Test and NPP
Test at 4-600mgs per week..
NPP at 3-400 per week..
Cycle length 12-14 weeks.
Now with NPP..I could see you adding Dbol..
After 4 weeks..
In 4 weeks, you'll know how you handle NPP..

Dbol...
I'd try it as a pre-WO..25 mgs..one hour prior to your Lift..
AND..
See how it goes..
Estrogen Control is Always an issue..
Again..running two new compounds at a time..
Bloodwork Always needs to be done with any New compounds..
If you run Dbol as only a pre-WO..3x a week Max..
It shouldn't spike your Estrogen..
Shouldn't is not a Strategy..!!

If I were you..
I'd run NPP or Deca..
Pulling Labs at week 5..
If everything is Good..Run with that..
Simple but effective and a Mild...

Dbol
As a pre-WO..25mgs 3x week ..ONLY..
Dbol is going to effect Markers..
If you're Hell bent on using Dbol..
Run 25mgs for 1 week..First..
If All-good..
Then bump to 50mgs per day..for 2 more weeks..
With orals, I try to lower the dose and duration..
Keeps sides and toxicity lower..usually..!!

Never run Dbol or Drol until the Nan is saturated..it's a waste..!!

Just an Old Man's. o2
Z
 
Tyler Durden said:
This is a big one. A 201lb guy isn't going to need the same doses as a 251lb guy. This needs to be taken into account when figuring out how many mg's to run.
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Good point..
I have known some Big Boys and some compounds don't work at all..
I'm scratching my head, thinking..Sdrol, Drol, Dbol..No results..???
Problem then becomes the dose..would you really want too run more than the "Normal " dose..???
Orals..can really do you serious harm at the "Normal " dose..Upping it will exponentially increase your risk..

Personally, I tolerate most harsh orals..
However, I reduce the dose and duration..
Like with Drol..3 days on..two days Off..

Bloodwork is essential when running harsh compounds..Age is another major factor..
It's called Aging Out..!!
When you can no longer tolerate the stress certain compounds put on the Body..
Weight is seldom considered..but a factor as well..

Basically..everyone is different and can respond totally different..
That's why you just have to try and see..
Deca is a great example of this..
I find so many guys avoiding Deca because this guy gets Deca Dick..or bad results others have..
But..
Will jump right on Tren..no Matter what anyone says..
Deca is in my top 5 compounds..

Might take some crap for this one..lol
Trestolone is my #2..
Testosterone being #1..of course..
My Trest protocol is Dead On..No negative sides..
Z
 
I've ran Deca at higher than normal..didn't notice that much above 400mgs/wk..
Others love it higher than Test..
It's a compound that you personally dial in..
Usually, higher dose= more negative sides..
Z
 
Zion said:
Good point..
I have known some Big Boys and some compounds don't work at all..
I'm scratching my head, thinking..Sdrol, Drol, Dbol..No results..???
Problem then becomes the dose..would you really want too run more than the "Normal " dose..???
Orals..can really do you serious harm at the "Normal " dose..Upping it will exponentially increase your risk..

Personally, I tolerate most harsh orals..
However, I reduce the dose and duration..
Like with Drol..3 days on..two days Off..

Bloodwork is essential when running harsh compounds..Age is another major factor..
It's called Aging Out..!!
When you can no longer tolerate the stress certain compounds put on the Body..
Weight is seldom considered..but a factor as well..

Basically..everyone is different and can respond totally different..
That's why you just have to try and see..
Deca is a great example of this..
I find so many guys avoiding Deca because this guy gets Deca Dick..or bad results others have..
But..
Will jump right on Tren..no Matter what anyone says..
Deca is in my top 5 compounds..

Might take some crap for this one..lol
Trestolone is my #2..
Testosterone being #1..of course..
My Trest protocol is Dead On..No negative sides..
Z
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I haven't ran orals in over a decade for all the reasons you outlined here. I get what I need from injectables', no need to stress the liver and kidneys' anymore than is necessary.
 
Zion said:
I've ran Deca at higher than normal..didn't notice that much above 400mgs/wk..
Others love it higher than Test..
It's a compound that you personally dial in..
Usually, higher dose= more negative sides..
Z
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I've never experienced 'Deca dick', but I never run any compound higher than my Test dose. It's usually a 2:1 ratio, Test to whatever compound I'm running at the time. Plus, with Deca I will always run a DHT along side it.
 
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