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Cycle Overkill - When it it too much

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Hi everyone

I’m new to the forum. Thank you for all the information on the topics. It reminds me that knowledge is power. Do your research before you dive into the deep end. Unfortunately, I didn’t do that and I’m not sure what to do next. Having read the Newbie post, I realise that my failure to plan my cycle, particularly my PCT cycle, has been my downfall.

i have been on a cycle for what certainly appears to be way too long. It seems to me that I have two choices. Stop my cycle and start PCT, or stop my cycle except Test, which I should lower to a maintenance (maybe better to say “TRT”) dose. What to do and how to do it is where I get stuck. I’ve read the forums on these topics, but I’ve found it difficult to find a uniform answer on the process.

My problem:

I had never done a cycle. I researched the topic, but ultimately followed the advice of what I believed to be a veteran. I started on Test E (500mg per week). I built up to 1000mg per week after about 10 weeks. I then added Anavar (20mg) for period of 6(ish) weeks. I added EQ once I completed the Anavar. I ended up on Test E (500 mg per week) and EQ (500mg per week), which I still take. On about Week 20, I added Deca (150mg per week). I experienced crazy headaches and stopped Deca after about a month.

As it stands, I have been on Test E for 8 months and EQ for 5 months. I followed the advice of my supplier all along, but accept that I should have done my research properly and made smart decisions. Hindsight is a perfect science. When you don’t know what you doing, it also easier to simply follow the advice of someone who sounds like they know what they are doing.

I haven’t experienced any side effects to date, except for the headaches on Deca. I had blood work done about two weeks ago and all looks good, except that my red blood count is high. I have arranged for a venesection on my doctor’s advice. My blood pressure has been a bit high at times, but it seems to have settled since I stopped Deca.

It seems I need to stop the current cycle, although opinions differ as to how I should do so (as well as what to do after that). I have researched the topic and am confused. All I know is that I have overshot the mark and must act now. I don’t know whether to taper or whether to simply stop. I am also lost between whether to take Clomid, Nolvadex and HCG, and for how long to take each one. I have been told all three products for two weeks, only Clomid and Nolvadex for 4 to 6 weeks. I have been told start immediately, start two weeks after your last injection. Obviously each person I ask has a different opinion.

I don’t know whether I should stop Test altogether. My Test levels were low last year when I had blood work done (Lower than the range accepted as “normal”). My doctor discussed options with me at the time, which included TRT as a last resort. I didn’t do anything at the time. I suppose the “problem” was temporarily solved when I started Test E. Hence I don’t know if I should continue with a maintenance / TRT dose of Test E even when I stop my cycle. I understand such a dose of Test may negate the need to do a PCT cycle altogether, but I would need to monitor it.

I am quite lost at the moment. I’m not sure what next do, nor how to do it.

My last consideration is what to do next. Obviously I need to do more research and read more credible forum threads. But I want to think ahead so that I have a proper game plan and am not merely doing what I am told next. I am 1.86m and 104kgs. I have put on about 10kgs in the last 8 months. I don’t want to bulk. I want to focus on lean muscle, strength and definition.

I am sure that “what do you suggest I do” isn’t the correct question to ask. But any input, advice, guidance would be much appreciated. I feel that I have overshot the mark and am shooting blindly in the dark. The have not placed my health at the forefront and now need to do so asap. You only have one body. Look after it. Right?!?


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Dang bro 1000mg and you’re just starting out that’s way too much but you admit it and you know it’s way to much but we learn from our mistakes. A lot of us have done that believe me. I would just stay on 150 to 200mg Test Cyp or Enth to stay around normal testosterone levels.
You might wanna have a Arimidex or Nolvadex for your estrogen control. I would take one twice a week or every other day if you need it.
 
I followed the advice of my supplier all along
your supplier only wanted to sell you as much gear as possible.
Get off anything and stay on TRT dosage of testosterone, have Arimidex/Aromasin handy with some Nolvadex. have a bloodwork, preferably now and 6 weeks into TRT test dosage (100-200 mg/week). May use low dose HCG in case you experience testicle shrinkage.
then, after a while, you can attempt a harsh PCT which may not work, but worth trying if you want to stay off anything (natural) again. what's your age, height, weight? some health issues?
 
your supplier only wanted to sell you as much gear as possible.
Get off anything and stay on TRT dosage of testosterone, have Arimidex/Aromasin handy with some Nolvadex. have a bloodwork, preferably now and 6 weeks into TRT test dosage (100-200 mg/week). May use low dose HCG in case you experience testicle shrinkage.
then, after a while, you can attempt a harsh PCT which may not work, but worth trying if you want to stay off anything (natural) again. what's your age, height, weight? some health issues?

That’s my feeling. Sadly I didn’t do my homework. I am experiencing restocked shrinkage. Is HCG the best to counter that? I’ve read up on it, but can’t seem to get a clear answer. Science / medicine can be confusing.

I am 40 years old, 1.85m tall, 103 kgs. No health issues, other than depression / anxiety, which I know is a big one when it comes to juice.


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Dang bro 1000mg and you’re just starting out that’s way too much but you admit it and you know it’s way to much but we learn from our mistakes. A lot of us have done that believe me. I would just stay on 150 to 200mg Test Cyp or Enth to stay around normal testosterone levels.
You might wanna have a Arimidex or Nolvadex for your estrogen control. I would take one twice a week or every other day if you need it.

Thanks man. Ive got a good road map from all the sound advice. I appreciate you contributing. I also appreciate the positive words.


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Remember if you TRT/HRT it’s for the rest of your life. PCT varies from person to person depending on how long you are on gear, how much, age etc. I’ll post a typical protocol.

If come off after blasting and cruising you should have bloodwork, stop testosterone and start HCG.
Have Aromasin (Exemestane) handy and use it in case you notice high estrogen symptoms. Don't use Arimidex or Letrozole, for PCT - you need Aromasin because, unlike the other antiestrogens, it permanently binds to aromatase enzymes. Take the required Aromasin dosage based on your estrogen symptoms. Adjust dosage according to your estrogen levels (or at least estrogen side effects such as gyno, as you said you're prone to it, but remember that you're going to use Nolvadex later which prevents gyno too).

Start PCT 10 days after last injection

Week 1 of PCT: 100 mg/day of Clomid and 40 mg/day of Nolvadex and 250 IU/day of HCG every 3 days (Aromasin in the necessary dosage).
Week 2 of PCT: 50-100 mg/day of Clomid and 40 mg/day of Nolvadex with 250 IU/day of HCG every 3-5 days (Aromasin)
Week 3 of PCT: 50 mg/day of Clomid and 40 mg/day of Nolvadex with 250 IU/day of HCG every 5-7 days (Aromasin)
Week 4 of PCT: 50 mg/day of Clomid and 40 mg/day of Nolvadex (Aromasin)
Week 5 of PCT: 50 mg/day of Clomid and 20 mg/day of Nolvadex (Aromasin)
Week 6 of PCT: 25 mg/day of Clomid and 20 mg/day of Nolvadex (Aromasin)
You can continue two more weeks with similar dosages or drop one of them (clomid or nolvadex).
 
Remember if you TRT/HRT it’s for the rest of your life. PCT varies from person to person depending on how long you are on gear, how much, age etc. I’ll post a typical protocol.

If come off after blasting and cruising you should have bloodwork, stop testosterone and start HCG.
Have Aromasin (Exemestane) handy and use it in case you notice high estrogen symptoms. Don't use Arimidex or Letrozole, for PCT - you need Aromasin because, unlike the other antiestrogens, it permanently binds to aromatase enzymes. Take the required Aromasin dosage based on your estrogen symptoms. Adjust dosage according to your estrogen levels (or at least estrogen side effects such as gyno, as you said you're prone to it, but remember that you're going to use Nolvadex later which prevents gyno too).

Start PCT 10 days after last injection

Week 1 of PCT: 100 mg/day of Clomid and 40 mg/day of Nolvadex and 250 IU/day of HCG every 3 days (Aromasin in the necessary dosage).
Week 2 of PCT: 50-100 mg/day of Clomid and 40 mg/day of Nolvadex with 250 IU/day of HCG every 3-5 days (Aromasin)
Week 3 of PCT: 50 mg/day of Clomid and 40 mg/day of Nolvadex with 250 IU/day of HCG every 5-7 days (Aromasin)
Week 4 of PCT: 50 mg/day of Clomid and 40 mg/day of Nolvadex (Aromasin)
Week 5 of PCT: 50 mg/day of Clomid and 20 mg/day of Nolvadex (Aromasin)
Week 6 of PCT: 25 mg/day of Clomid and 20 mg/day of Nolvadex (Aromasin)
You can continue two more weeks with similar dosages or drop one of them (clomid or nolvadex).

Thanks my dude. I’ll use this as a general road map. Very detailed and fully explained. I really appreciate it!


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Remember if you TRT/HRT it’s for the rest of your life. PCT varies from person to person depending on how long you are on gear, how much, age etc. I’ll post a typical protocol.

If come off after blasting and cruising you should have bloodwork, stop testosterone and start HCG.
Have Aromasin (Exemestane) handy and use it in case you notice high estrogen symptoms. Don't use Arimidex or Letrozole, for PCT - you need Aromasin because, unlike the other antiestrogens, it permanently binds to aromatase enzymes. Take the required Aromasin dosage based on your estrogen symptoms. Adjust dosage according to your estrogen levels (or at least estrogen side effects such as gyno, as you said you're prone to it, but remember that you're going to use Nolvadex later which prevents gyno too).

Start PCT 10 days after last injection

Week 1 of PCT: 100 mg/day of Clomid and 40 mg/day of Nolvadex and 250 IU/day of HCG every 3 days (Aromasin in the necessary dosage).
Week 2 of PCT: 50-100 mg/day of Clomid and 40 mg/day of Nolvadex with 250 IU/day of HCG every 3-5 days (Aromasin)
Week 3 of PCT: 50 mg/day of Clomid and 40 mg/day of Nolvadex with 250 IU/day of HCG every 5-7 days (Aromasin)
Week 4 of PCT: 50 mg/day of Clomid and 40 mg/day of Nolvadex (Aromasin)
Week 5 of PCT: 50 mg/day of Clomid and 20 mg/day of Nolvadex (Aromasin)
Week 6 of PCT: 25 mg/day of Clomid and 20 mg/day of Nolvadex (Aromasin)
You can continue two more weeks with similar dosages or drop one of them (clomid or nolvadex).
copy/pasted my response
that's so nice :giggle: :ROFLMAO:
 
There's no hard evidence that pct actually helps someone recover or recover faster. There's no actual data that shows ped usage causes long term hypogonadism.
You'll either recover or you won't.
It's just taking drugs with worse sides than steroids.
If you're bloods are fine then your fine.
RBC can be elevated from lots of things including just being more muscular or even what you did days before the test. Did you drink at least half a gallon of water the morning of? No you don't need to give blood most likely and most drs are morons regarding blood work.

What matters most is blood pressure and kidneys.
 
There's no hard evidence that pct actually helps someone recover or recover faster. There's no actual data that shows ped usage causes long term hypogonadism.
You'll either recover or you won't.
It's just taking drugs with worse sides than steroids.
If you're bloods are fine then your fine.
RBC can be elevated from lots of things including just being more muscular or even what you did days before the test. Did you drink at least half a gallon of water the morning of? No you don't need to give blood most likely and most drs are morons regarding blood work.

What matters most is blood pressure and kidneys.

Got you. Thanks for the advice my man. I appreciate all views.


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I'd keep it simple when it comes to cycles and not go overboard. Listen to your body and it will tell you when you are doing way too much.

Lots of good advice here and best thing is to run PCT and then wait several months before you decide to get back on. Then only run 500mg Test a week for 12 weeks and keep an AI on hand in case you are an aromatizer.
 
I'd keep it simple when it comes to cycles and not go overboard. Listen to your body and it will tell you when you are doing way too much.

Lots of good advice here and best thing is to run PCT and then wait several months before you decide to get back on. Then only run 500mg Test a week for 12 weeks and keep an AI on hand in case you are an aromatizer.
And this best thing to do is based on what exactly?
Our bodies tell us when we are doing too much? Is that why high blood pressure is called the silent killer?
Why 12 weeks? Why 500 test?
 
And this best thing to do is based on what exactly?
Our bodies tell us when we are doing too much? Is that why high blood pressure is called the silent killer?
Why 12 weeks? Why 500 test?
Just a simple cycle would been the best thing if OP is just starting out...after doing the research. Bloodwork along the way as well to judge how things are as well.
 
Just a simple cycle would been the best thing if OP is just starting out...after doing the research. Bloodwork along the way as well to judge how things are as well.
So you have no actual reasoning behind anything you said...
Here's the thing when someone is seeking advice in taking drugs or anything really if people don't have anything helpful to add or actually know what they're talking about then responding simply gets in the way of proper advice at best and can be harmful.
500mg and 12 weeks are arbitrary numbers. Just take a pct and wait several months is rather useless.
How much experience do you have to give advice to others trying to learn?
Blood work along the way....
What exactly should he keep an eye on in bloodwork? What tests should he request to be ordered?
Along the way? When exactly and how often?

Look at the responses and advice posted. Now did you actually add anything?

Its like someone asking for advice on how to grow and people respond eat big to get big and train hard.
 
your supplier only wanted to sell you as much gear as possible.
Get off anything and stay on TRT dosage of testosterone, have Arimidex/Aromasin handy with some Nolvadex. have a bloodwork, preferably now and 6 weeks into TRT test dosage (100-200 mg/week). May use low dose HCG in case you experience testicle shrinkage.
then, after a while, you can attempt a harsh PCT which may not work, but worth trying if you want to stay off anything (natural) again. what's your age, height, weight? some health issues?
Probably the best advice I’ve seen here. At age 40 I highly doubt PCT is in his future however. He probably just pushed TRT for life on himself. I suppose PCT is ok to try but I personally wouldn’t at 40. He’s just gonna crash and although I still believe PCT has its place it’s very questionable whether it would even help in his case.

Note to OP it’s probably not that bad. You’re not gonna die. You may experience a slight discomfort coming down off a gram of test but considering deal with it sir. It ain’t that bad. Get your bloods asap and slowly begin to drop your test. 200mgs a week until you get to 200mg total. Get bloods again and again a few months later. Your body should bounce back to normal with the exception of your test. You should have a good baseline at that point. You can try pct but again I’m telling you you’re not gonna like it. Stay on TRT. So what your gonna be a slightly enhanced 40/50/60/70 year old. Ain’t so bad. Test is like $35 a bottle.

Even at age 40 you could have grown the same amount on nothing more than 200/250 mg test only cycle than you probably did on all that. Not capping on you. I was a newbie fighter at age 19 and took massive amounts of gear because that was the way. Yeah right. 20 years later and Incan still grow more on half of what I use to take.

Good luck brother. Time is what you need. You’ll be ok. You also may want to start looking into things like Cialis and other ED products. You may very well need them for a minute if you’re pretty sexually active. Maybe not but nobody wants to disappoint during a down time.
 
I also just want to add. OP never mentioned what kind of gains he experienced while he was taking all that shit. Honestly he should have blown up like a balloon. Literally even at 40. I’d be very interested to actually see what his test levels are. A supplier that tells someone to stay on a gram of test for 8 months probably isn’t selling the best gear. Just saying. Bloods should be done like yesterday
 
Probably the best advice I’ve seen here. At age 40 I highly doubt PCT is in his future however. He probably just pushed TRT for life on himself. I suppose PCT is ok to try but I personally wouldn’t at 40. He’s just gonna crash and although I still believe PCT has its place it’s very questionable whether it would even help in his case.

Note to OP it’s probably not that bad. You’re not gonna die. You may experience a slight discomfort coming down off a gram of test but considering deal with it sir. It ain’t that bad. Get your bloods asap and slowly begin to drop your test. 200mgs a week until you get to 200mg total. Get bloods again and again a few months later. Your body should bounce back to normal with the exception of your test. You should have a good baseline at that point. You can try pct but again I’m telling you you’re not gonna like it. Stay on TRT. So what your gonna be a slightly enhanced 40/50/60/70 year old. Ain’t so bad. Test is like $35 a bottle.

Even at age 40 you could have grown the same amount on nothing more than 200/250 mg test only cycle than you probably did on all that. Not capping on you. I was a newbie fighter at age 19 and took massive amounts of gear because that was the way. Yeah right. 20 years later and Incan still grow more on half of what I use to take.

Good luck brother. Time is what you need. You’ll be ok. You also may want to start looking into things like Cialis and other ED products. You may very well need them for a minute if you’re pretty sexually active. Maybe not but nobody wants to disappoint during a down time.

Thanks so much man. That really is helpful info. I am down to 400mg of Test only. I’ll drop to zero in the next 2-4 weeks. I’ll give PCT a go. I fear that you may be right and it ain’t going to do much, but I have nothing to lose. If TRT is my future, that’s okay with me.


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I also just want to add. OP never mentioned what kind of gains he experienced while he was taking all that shit. Honestly he should have blown up like a balloon. Literally even at 40. I’d be very interested to actually see what his test levels are. A supplier that tells someone to stay on a gram of test for 8 months probably isn’t selling the best gear. Just saying. Bloods should be done like yesterday

I gained about 12-14kgs. Strength went up by about 1.5x. I am definitely in for a crash, but I am taking all the great advice and working with a trusted “golden oldie” as I move towards a PCT cycle. The dude I am working with has vast experience and has no vested interest. He offers sound advice and does not push anything onto me. My doctor is also monitoring me. He has prescribed Cialis already, in case I need it. We have also worked through a plan of I crash. He is also checking bloods on a fortnightly basis. So far, he is happy. BP is a bit elevated, but to be expected. Nothing too concerning, but I definitely need to bring it down for long-term health.


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Probably the best advice I’ve seen here. At age 40 I highly doubt PCT is in his future however. He probably just pushed TRT for life on himself. I suppose PCT is ok to try but I personally wouldn’t at 40. He’s just gonna crash and although I still believe PCT has its place it’s very questionable whether it would even help in his case.

Note to OP it’s probably not that bad. You’re not gonna die. You may experience a slight discomfort coming down off a gram of test but considering deal with it sir. It ain’t that bad. Get your bloods asap and slowly begin to drop your test. 200mgs a week until you get to 200mg total. Get bloods again and again a few months later. Your body should bounce back to normal with the exception of your test. You should have a good baseline at that point. You can try pct but again I’m telling you you’re not gonna like it. Stay on TRT. So what your gonna be a slightly enhanced 40/50/60/70 year old. Ain’t so bad. Test is like $35 a bottle.

Even at age 40 you could have grown the same amount on nothing more than 200/250 mg test only cycle than you probably did on all that. Not capping on you. I was a newbie fighter at age 19 and took massive amounts of gear because that was the way. Yeah right. 20 years later and Incan still grow more on half of what I use to take.

Good luck brother. Time is what you need. You’ll be ok. You also may want to start looking into things like Cialis and other ED products. You may very well need them for a minute if you’re pretty sexually active. Maybe not but nobody wants to disappoint during a down time.

I forgot to say, My doctor has already prescribed Cialis as a precautionary measure. I keep him updated via email and he will inform me if and when to use it. It’s quite obvious I guess. Take one if you can’t get it up. That said, I’ve decided to follow sound advice, coupled with doctor’s orders. My doctor knows that I shall be on cycles at some stage in the future. He is not one of those that are unrealistic and doing everything to try and ward me off.


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