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First Anabolic Cycle

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Derek

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Researching what to take for first proper cycle. Currently on Sustanon via private clinic (UK). Plan is to take Higher dose of Test (400-600), Primo (350) and deca. I’m naturally small, 5’8”, if I was lean I’d be in the 140-145 lbs weight range but currently have approx 12lbs too much fat, have been lifting on/off for year, last 12 months consistently. 44 years old. Not looking to become massive, just want to build more muscle as I work out 4-5 times a week (home and at the gym). Reserach seems to say Primo has least amount of organ and mental health side effects. Deca solely added as I often have aches and pains (I still play football (soccer)) and cricket. I have no desire to take orals. From what I’ve read, I don’t want to take Tren due to side effects.

Any alarm bells ringing on the above? Suggestions on dosages welcome. I’ll pay for blood work. I get this now through private clinic, but I’d have to ditch them as their contract states no anabolics. Also suggestions for AI while in cycle and PCT please

Will likely source via one of the sponsors on this site as have no contacts for suppliers locally
 
It’s 0.2ml twice a week. And yeah, prescribed as TRT
 
If you’re on trt at 100mg a week and have never cycled before I think jumping straight to 1000mg+ for your first cycle is a bit excessive imo. Honestly 350-500mg of test alone should see significant gains you’re still more than tripling your current dose. If you don’t see gains on that your diet needs work.

If your dead set on using deca for joint health 300-350 of test with 150-200mg of deca would be more than enough to get the joint health benefits but just be aware that deca will increase the conversion of test to estrogen so make sure you have something on hand to manage estrogen related sides.
 
Thanks. Only just seen this. I’ve done more research and agree. Next step will be to increase test to 300mg/week with no additional anabolics

Thanks again
 
Jfrost89 said:
If you’re on trt at 100mg a week and have never cycled before I think jumping straight to 1000mg+ for your first cycle is a bit excessive imo. Honestly 350-500mg of test alone should see significant gains you’re still more than tripling your current dose. If you don’t see gains on that your diet needs work.

If your dead set on using deca for joint health 300-350 of test with 150-200mg of deca would be more than enough to get the joint health benefits but just be aware that deca will increase the conversion of test to estrogen so make sure you have something on hand to manage estrogen related sides.
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One more question (might be more). Is 300mg/week test E ok for a permanent dose?
 
Another question - if 300mg test E is ok for permanent use. I’d like to have an AI on hand. Info available is varied. So many say HCG is best but not sure this is ok for permanent and needs to be constantly monitored? Poviron and Noveldex seem to be recommended. I’m not worried about hair loss but I am paranoid about liver/kidney health. Based on that, what is recommended to have on hand for symptoms and blood test results for AI if running permanent test E?

Note: so far on Sue I’ve not had any symptoms of gyno etc (yet)

I’ve read the profile written by Freak (brilliant) but still not 100% sure best AI for me
 
I personally think 300 yr round is to much bc it can still skew lipids and raise h&h and RBCs but there’s definitely people who run that and more yr round.

I personally use aromasin for estrogen vs other AIs but use whatever’s needed to keep estrogen in range. I personally don’t need an AI unless I go over 500mg of test a week but I know people who need an AI on 200mg a week it’s really person dependent.

300 of test should not effect liver and kidney values. Main concern with kidney function on test only is high bp and elevated blood count. If those stay in range you shouldn’t have issues with liver or kidneys.

If your concerned I’d recommend adding in 250mg of tudca 2xday and 600mg of nac 2xday for liver health and either leviathan nutrition kidney or morphogen nutrition kidney for kidney health.
 
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