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I’m about to start my first blast and I was thinking about 300 test e and 200 deca I’ve only done 300 test and 20 Anavar for 12 weeks do you think that it’s over board for my first blast??


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So your last cycle was 300mg ew of Test E and 20mg ed of Var for 12 weeks?
 
So your last cycle was 300mg ew of Test E and 20mg ed of Var for 12 weeks?

Yes but that was my first cycle ever I’ve been off I think around 4-5 months now and I’ve just decided to go ahead and commit to starting a blast and cruise instead of cycling on and off


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To be 100% honest not a full panel I only get my cholesterol and a cbc done and I check my bp daily


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Gotcha. Well, checking your lipids is important obviously if you've used orals, even a milder compound such as Anavar for 12 weeks. I think a comprehensive metabolic panel would be good to ensure kidney and liver values are good also. Although your use is mild, let's make sure that you're at a good baseline to start cycling again. Don't want any hidden health things going on. Bravo on the BP check as well. That's one of the most important metrics. Guys walk around for a long time with elevated BP and ruin organs and once renal stuff happens, no going back. I'd get a CMP and depending on your age, a calcium score also.

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Appreciate all of the information bro to be honest I wasn’t really worried about my health last cycle cause I was on a shit load of ancillaries for those pussy dosages but I plan on going balls to the walls this blast so I’m definitely going to need to keep my blood marks monitored


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Sounds like you are just winging it? No disrespect but 300 test, 200 deca is not an exactly balls to the walls. It is a decent stack for growth. However, your first 2 cycles are critical to be running test only and monitoring bloods before, during, and after which establishes a baseline for you before running any other compounds too include orals.
Running Var for 12wks straight is not a standard protocol either. Bro science will only take you so far but bloodwork is apart of this game and cannot be taken for granted for your health and wellness. Adding a 5lbs of muscle is not work sacrificing a kidney.
I also didn’t see anything about an AI? Did you run an AI at all? You wouldn’t know for sure without bloodwork during so if you were running an AI it was winging it.
Brother I don’t mean to bust your ball but bodybuilding and cycling is a marathon not a sprint. If you don’t pace yourself and do it right than you will never get across the finish line…or if you do you may end up like so many others who end up with organ failures or heart attacks.
I hope you stay safe and healthy. I’d say drop the deca and get bloods done like reaper said already. Then go with test at 300-500mg every week for 12-15wks. Pull bloods at 5-6wks in and then at the end. Establish your baseline and build up from there. 1 compound added at a time.
 
Yeah I understand 300 test 200 deca isn’t balls to the walls but I plan on blasting and cruising all year and working up to a high blast and no I had an ai on hand but I didn’t need it my dick worked great nipples where good and I didn’t gain crazy water weight also I didn’t clarify for anavar I didn’t run 12 weeks straight I did 4 weeks on 4 weeks off then 4 weeks on again


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Yeah I understand 300 test 200 deca isn’t balls to the walls but I plan on blasting and cruising all year and working up to a high blast and no I had an ai on hand but I didn’t need it my dick worked great nipples where good and I didn’t gain crazy water weight also I didn’t clarify for anavar I didn’t run 12 weeks straight I did 4 weeks on 4 weeks off then 4 weeks on again


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Ah, the devil's in the details as they say...4 on 4 off is much better. Didn't provide details. No sweat. Anyway...

I'd do the bloodwork, then I'd start with a test base only. I'd titrate up from 300 to 500 over a month or 5 weeks. I'm a FIRM believer in "get the most out of the least". If I was on 300 and still gaining after a month or two, or three, I'm not bumping it even 1 mg if I'm still trending in the right direction. Safer, cheaper, smarter. If non-enhanced trainees can gain with a solid training, diet and recovery plan for a couple of months at a time, then enhanced athletes can surely keep gaining without slinging gear higher and higher.

If I stop gaining...I always push food before I increase doses. I throw in more recovery days also. I can't tell you how many times people are blown away when they start gaining after just some diet or split modifications without pushing up doses, then they're good until another stick then we reevaluate. Drugs are the last thing to be worried about in this sport. Pros NEVER discuss gear. Why? Because they're all doing basically the same thing compound-wise. Their concern is where's my next meal?! Because they understand what the priorities are.

Slow and steady brother - happy to assist any way we can. Health is wealth bro.

Grim
 
Yeah I understand 300 test 200 deca isn’t balls to the walls but I plan on blasting and cruising all year and working up to a high blast and no I had an ai on hand but I didn’t need it my dick worked great nipples where good and I didn’t gain crazy water weight also I didn’t clarify for anavar I didn’t run 12 weeks straight I did 4 weeks on 4 weeks off then 4 weeks on again


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Your AI usage or not using it was based on feels and bro science not bloodwork. Bro just cuz your nips aren’t sensitive or a gyno limp forming means nothing as to your actual estrogen levels without bloodwork.

The Var duration and frequency in that cycle would be ok. Again after 2 solid test only cycles with bloods and also bloods during a cycle including var to assess your values.

I still stand firm that you need to run a test only cycle at 300-500mg every week and do bloods before, during, and after. And if you are still under 40 I don’t see the reason not to do a PCT and try to get things back to normal. If you are not competing and this is your career then I don’t think it’s necessary from jump street. Other than that you are setting yourself up for life long pinning of trt either prescribed by a clinic or self prescribed. Personally I am not an expert by any means but I think you need to slow down and gain some experience before making these decisions and possibly even cycling at all.

I would say a 300 test, 200 deca cycle will yield you some good gains provided all other things are in check. When running deca you have to do bloodwork to monitor prolactin levels which caber is the medication used to help combat these elevated prolactin levels. Bro science will only carry you so far and bloodwork is the only sure way of knowing.
 
I echo @MrWhisper and @The Grim Repper that you need bloodwork and consider the test only cycle and also the thought of starting you AAS journey with blast and cruise. Please also understand that cruise is not exactly trt…more of an elevated trt.

Please consider their advice and don’t hesitate to ask questions and seek advice from members that have a wealth of experience. I am not an expert but I’ve been playing the game for about 6 yrs now. I’ve communicated with @Durro for a few years now and he is very knowledgeable. Don’t hesitate to hit up the vets to help you with your journey.

Be safe brother!
 
This wouldn’t be starting my journey I’ve done a 12 week cycle before but definitely reconsidering blasting and instead running a couple more cycles to get more knowledge before running year round appreciate all your guys help


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This wouldn’t be starting my journey I’ve done a 12 week cycle before but definitely reconsidering blasting and instead running a couple more cycles to get more knowledge before running year round appreciate all your guys help


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I read that brother! Please bear with me and keep thick skin on the forum. It’s all constructive criticism and is important for decision making. This is the beginning of the journey for you. 1 novice cycle done without doing bloods is a beginner mistake. That’s ok tho bc we all learn from the mistakes we make. Now where you go from here with the info received will be up to you.

Good luck and be safe bro! Still don’t hesitate to ask questions. There are no stupid questions when you are trying to get strong but be healthy to enjoy the gains.
 
I read that brother! Please bear with me and keep thick skin on the forum. It’s all constructive criticism and is important for decision making. This is the beginning of the journey for you. 1 novice cycle done without doing bloods is a beginner mistake. That’s ok tho bc we all learn from the mistakes we make. Now where you go from here with the info received will be up to you.

Good luck and be safe bro! Still don’t hesitate to ask questions. There are no stupid questions when you are trying to get strong but be healthy to enjoy the gains.

Thanks for being so supportive bro I appreciate it I think I’m gonna hold off on starting my cycle another couple months to really plan it out and dial in


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Bud, if you see a future of regularly going "on" cycles with your lifting, I can't emphasize enough for you to have the blood labs done; and liver, kidney tests are really important to be on top of. I neglected keeping regular with my labs and eventually discovered I had kidney issues, that thankfully are under control now.
 
Thanks for being so supportive bro I appreciate it I think I’m gonna hold off on starting my cycle another couple months to really plan it out and dial in


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Brother I studied, researched, and asked a ton of questions for at least 1yr before I finally decided to run my first cycle. These forums are super helpful. Tons of experience and knowledge from members. Some of these guys have been using AAS for 30yrs.
Be patient and wise and remember it’s not a sprint it’s a marathon. Your health matters or your bodybuilding with AAS journey can get cut short.
 
Bud, if you see a future of regularly going "on" cycles with your lifting, I can't emphasize enough for you to have the blood labs done; and liver, kidney tests are really important to be on top of. I neglected keeping regular with my labs and eventually discovered I had kidney issues, that thankfully are under control now.
Glad to hear you've gotten things under control. You know, we're all healthy until we're not. That's a scary place to find yourself. Stay well brothers!
 
This wouldn’t be starting my journey I’ve done a 12 week cycle before but definitely reconsidering blasting and instead running a couple more cycles to get more knowledge before running year round appreciate all your guys help


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I guess my question would be (to anyone planning a cycle - not directing this specifically at you) would be what's the goal? Is this an off season or more a prep cycle? At that point, you plan your food and training and only then start worrying about compounds. Most people do it backwards.
 
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