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Got a question for the community, is there actually any difference doing subq daily injections for test?
I’ve been on 180mg per week split into 3 days, but I just checked my labs and my markers are kinda messed up, HCT around 56.
Would my HCT likely be lower if I switched to 180mg split into ED (daily), or does it not really matter since the weekly dose is the same?
 
Yes! Going to ED micro dosing will help with lowering Hematocrit. I just got back on after being off for 6 months. I'm micro dosing ED for the same reason. Please go read through the thread below, I do a thorough deep dive about the benefits of micro dosing for lowering E2 and HCT:


Because you're getting regular labs the above link to the thread "Test Question" is going to provide a lot of valuable information for someone doing labs. For the last 6 months I've been trying to get my hematocrit down into range to get a legit script for HRT/TRT. This past Friday I came in at 55 for my HCT, down from 70 in the beginning, yes 70. I've been doing phlebotomy for the last 3-4 months to get my HCT down. I can't get a script for TRT/HRT until I get my HCT into range. I live at altitude, two miles above sea level, primary reason my HCT is so elevated. So, I've been doing a lot of research on how to get my HCT down and keep it down while on TRT/HRT.

Now to explain why micro dosing has an impact on HCT. With every injection comes a spike with your hormonal levels in your blood serum. This raises certain hormones artificially, ie: Testosterone. Well, your body recognizes this spike, but it doesn't know it's dealing with exogenous hormones you injected into the body. What does the body do, it naturally raises your other hormones to bring homeostasis to the endocrine system. So now you have all your hormones balanced out to make sure your endocrine system is properly function as your body was designed to do. The problem is you pinned a good amount at one time by only pinning twice a week causing more than a normal spike compared to when the body naturally releases hormones into your system. This supraphysiological surge of exogenous hormones causes other hormones like estradiol (E2) and SHBG to become elevated beyond what your body normally would elevate them to, to keep homeostasis. One of the other things that gets elevated with a bolus dose of exogenous hormones being injected into the body is your hematocrit level.

The body recognizes the exogenous hormone but doesn't know what to do with it other than what it was innately designed to do. Because you're injecting an artificial hormone into your body, your body is incapable of regulating it, it can only regulate the other hormones it's naturally releasing to balance out all the hormones in the body for proper function of your endocrine system. So, what happens when you pin only twice a week is you get this big surge of a hormone spike in your blood serum. The problem is because your using exogenous testosterone it's serum levels in your blood drop much quicker than the hormones your body is naturally releasing into the system. So, what you end up having is a big spike in testosterone along with the body releasing the other hormones to balance things out causing elevated E1, E2, SHBG, Albumin, etc. Your exogenous Test levels in your blood serum drop faster than the endogenous hormones do. Now your ratios are really skewed causing side effects in the body like acne, moodiness, water retention, elevated HCT, even gyno, etc. What we're looking at here is your Test levels continue to drop at a much faster rate than the other hormones in your body because your body is able to regulate your E1, E2, SHBG, albumin, etc. but not the artificial exogenous testosterone. This causes an imbalance of hormones in the body. One of the most important things about using AAS's is keeping proper ratios between all the hormones.

Most don't understand this; they single out and focus on one thing like elevated E2; then they crush it because they know no better. In certain circumstances it's good to have elevated E2 to keep a good ratio between Test and the other hormones so the body functions properly. Estradiol is a critical part of muscle growth; you crush it, you crush your gains. I could spend hours explaining how and why it's important to balance out hormones in body, but it's not necessary for answering your question and I don't have that kind of time because we're talking at least half a day or better going through everything.

Bottom line is keeping your spikes down through ED micro dosing keeps your body from releasing more hormones at one time than is necessary to bring homeostasis in the blood stream. What this does for you is keeps your hematocrit levels down as well. This past week I just received some new needles, yes, I get excited about this stuff. Seeing now I'm practicing micro dosing for the same reason you want to lower your HCT. I picked up a box of 25G x 5/8, 27g x 1/2, and 21G x 1&1/2 inch (for drawing only). I'm loving the 25G and 27G needles, pain free allowing me to deal with pinning every day. Hell no, do I subscribe to Subcutaneous injections, I think it's stupid to be honest. It's not necessary to do SubQ, I'm a 100% all the time IM guy, no matter what. But it's a preference, you do your injections the way you like to do them.

I hope this post helps you out, feel free to reach out with any other questions. Cheers, Tyler 🍻

Note: for 20 years I did twice a week injection with no issues at all. At least on the surface. It's only been recent that I learned if I'm going to keep my hematocrit down, I have to go to ED micro dosing. Other things that will improve your HCT: staying hydrated, CPAP or O2 machine at night, daily cardio (preferably HIT), stay at lower elevations. Good luck brother 💪😎🤙
 
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Tyler is right I have to micro dose now too. After years of heavy cycling my hematocrit will jump to 55 in 90 days and to over 60 at 6 months unless I do therapeutic phlebotomy. You don't want to mess with it. I microdose now and keep my hematocrit at 47. For the first 15 years of cycling I had no problems then it finally caught up to me
 
I had similar issue a couple years back and I started taking 400iu of methylated Vitamin E and have had been in the 41 to 43 hct range
Hmmm, interesting. You're the first to mention vitamin E for reducing HCT.
 
My close friends brother in law is a hematologist and he gave me the advice and I tried it and glad to say it worked for me
That's the methylated Vitamin E advice, I'm going to do it, but this is the first of anyone advising it. Our medical system is so splintered.
 
56 ???? GO TO A DOCTOR
spend blood drink more water thin that shit thats to high
I want to put this fear mongering to rest, at least on this board. I know many people walking around, hiking around in the mountains, with elevated hematocrit, above 56. 52 is medical threshold cut off point. But that encompasses everyone including medically unhealthy people, which we have a lot of them.

I live at altitude, very high at altitude. Everyone that lives up here naturally have elevated hematocrit. A HCT of 56 is common to see, more than most realize. But these people are active year round. They ski in the winter, mtn bike and hike in the summer. The couple of gyms we have up here are busy year round. We have a couple of Crossfit's, one of them was one of the very first Crossfit to open in the country. We all have elevated hematocrit because of the thinner air we live in. We don't hear of people dropping dead left and right. We charge the mountains skiing, mtn biking, etc. No deaths to speak of.

So, please, take that fear mongering elsewhere.

Cheers, Tyler 🍻
 
I want to put this fear mongering to rest, at least on this board. I know many people walking around, hiking around in the mountains, with elevated hematocrit, above 56. 52 is medical threshold cut off point. But that encompasses everyone including medically unhealthy people, which we have a lot of them.

I live at altitude, very high at altitude. Everyone that lives up here naturally have elevated hematocrit. A HCT of 56 is common to see, more than most realize. But these people are active year round. They ski in the winter, mtn bike and hike in the summer. The couple of gyms we have up here are busy year round. We have a couple of Crossfit's, one of them was one of the very first Crossfit to open in the country. We all have elevated hematocrit because of the thinner air we live in. We don't hear of people dropping dead left and right. We charge the mountains skiing, mtn biking, etc. No deaths to speak of.

So, please, take that fear mongering elsewhere.

Cheers, Tyler 🍻
Increased risk of blood clots causing immediate death or stroeks by blocking thin and big bloodveins. Very dangerous at the brain or hearth. My grandpa got it at lost his leg and your altitude may be okay with where you are but nobody knows your feet/meter from where you wrote this post nor is that medical advisable. Spend blood man. HKT are Red hemaglobin which increase throughs sterois in order to increase oxygen but to much makes to the blood way to thick. I highly prefer common medical knowledge
 
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Increased risk of blood clots causing immediate death or stroeks by blocking thin and big bloodveins. Very dangerous at the brain or hearth. My grandpa got it at lost his leg and your altitude may be okay with where you are but nobody knows your feet/meter from where you wrote this post nor is that medical advisable. Spend blood man. HKT are Red hemaglobin which increase throughs sterois in order to increase oxygen but to much makes to the blood way to thick. I highly prefer common medical knowledge
Nobody is giving medical advice on this board; we share experiences and through our experiences we formulate an idea or opinion about a subject that could be health related. What I do and what works for me doesn't mean you need to go out and do it as well. From living at altitude and being active with higher-than-normal hematocrit I don't feel I fall into that generalized category of people running a health risk with high HCT. I've been in this situation for 25 years now, if I haven't had a medical yet I think I'm pretty safe by now that I won't necessarily die strictly from elevated HCT. People overreact and it's in the best interest of the medical field to hyper react to markers or red flags that could be associated with a certain type of medical situation that needs attention. I know myself and my body, it's my choice to live it out how I see fit.
 
Increased risk of blood clots causing immediate death or stroeks by blocking thin and big bloodveins. Very dangerous at the brain or hearth. My grandpa got it at lost his leg and your altitude may be okay with where you are but nobody knows your feet/meter from where you wrote this post nor is that medical advisable. Spend blood man. HKT are Red hemaglobin which increase throughs sterois in order to increase oxygen but to much makes to the blood way to thick. I highly prefer common medical knowledge
You’re arguing with a guy living at altitude while sounding medically kidnapped by autocorrect. 😋🤭

Ah yes, common medical knowledge. The same people that told us butter would kill us, sugar was fine, eggs were evil, and changed the food pyramid 6 times
 
Yes! Going to ED micro dosing will help with lowering Hematocrit. I just got back on after being off for 6 months. I'm micro dosing ED for the same reason. Please go read through the thread below, I do a thorough deep dive about the benefits of micro dosing for lowering E2 and HCT:


Because you're getting regular labs the above link to the thread "Test Question" is going to provide a lot of valuable information for someone doing labs. For the last 6 months I've been trying to get my hematocrit down into range to get a legit script for HRT/TRT. This past Friday I came in at 55 for my HCT, down from 70 in the beginning, yes 70. I've been doing phlebotomy for the last 3-4 months to get my HCT down. I can't get a script for TRT/HRT until I get my HCT into range. I live at altitude, two miles above sea level, primary reason my HCT is so elevated. So, I've been doing a lot of research on how to get my HCT down and keep it down while on TRT/HRT.

Now to explain why micro dosing has an impact on HCT. With every injection comes a spike with your hormonal levels in your blood serum. This raises certain hormones artificially, ie: Testosterone. Well, your body recognizes this spike, but it doesn't know it's dealing with exogenous hormones you injected into the body. What does the body do, it naturally raises your other hormones to bring homeostasis to the endocrine system. So now you have all your hormones balanced out to make sure your endocrine system is properly function as your body was designed to do. The problem is you pinned a good amount at one time by only pinning twice a week causing more than a normal spike compared to when the body naturally releases hormones into your system. This supraphysiological surge of exogenous hormones causes other hormones like estradiol (E2) and SHBG to become elevated beyond what your body normally would elevate them to, to keep homeostasis. One of the other things that gets elevated with a bolus dose of exogenous hormones being injected into the body is your hematocrit level.

The body recognizes the exogenous hormone but doesn't know what to do with it other than what it was innately designed to do. Because you're injecting an artificial hormone into your body, your body is incapable of regulating it, it can only regulate the other hormones it's naturally releasing to balance out all the hormones in the body for proper function of your endocrine system. So, what happens when you pin only twice a week is you get this big surge of a hormone spike in your blood serum. The problem is because your using exogenous testosterone it's serum levels in your blood drop much quicker than the hormones your body is naturally releasing into the system. So, what you end up having is a big spike in testosterone along with the body releasing the other hormones to balance things out causing elevated E1, E2, SHBG, Albumin, etc. Your exogenous Test levels in your blood serum drop faster than the endogenous hormones do. Now your ratios are really skewed causing side effects in the body like acne, moodiness, water retention, elevated HCT, even gyno, etc. What we're looking at here is your Test levels continue to drop at a much faster rate than the other hormones in your body because your body is able to regulate your E1, E2, SHBG, albumin, etc. but not the artificial exogenous testosterone. This causes an imbalance of hormones in the body. One of the most important things about using AAS's is keeping proper ratios between all the hormones.

Most don't understand this; they single out and focus on one thing like elevated E2; then they crush it because they know no better. In certain circumstances it's good to have elevated E2 to keep a good ratio between Test and the other hormones so the body functions properly. Estradiol is a critical part of muscle growth; you crush it, you crush your gains. I could spend hours explaining how and why it's important to balance out hormones in body, but it's not necessary for answering your question and I don't have that kind of time because we're talking at least half a day or better going through everything.

Bottom line is keeping your spikes down through ED micro dosing keeps your body from releasing more hormones at one time than is necessary to bring homeostasis in the blood stream. What this does for you is keeps your hematocrit levels down as well. This past week I just received some new needles, yes, I get excited about this stuff. Seeing now I'm practicing micro dosing for the same reason you want to lower your HCT. I picked up a box of 25G x 5/8, 27g x 1/2, and 21G x 1&1/2 inch (for drawing only). I'm loving the 25G and 27G needles, pain free allowing me to deal with pinning every day. Hell no, do I subscribe to Subcutaneous injections, I think it's stupid to be honest. It's not necessary to do SubQ, I'm a 100% all the time IM guy, no matter what. But it's a preference, you do your injections the way you like to do them.

I hope this post helps you out, feel free to reach out with any other questions. Cheers, Tyler 🍻

Note: for 20 years I did twice a week injection with no issues at all. At least on the surface. It's only been recent that I learned if I'm going to keep my hematocrit down, I have to go to ED micro dosing. Other things that will improve your HCT: staying hydrated, CPAP or O2 machine at night, daily cardio (preferably HIT), stay at lower elevations. Good luck brother 💪😎🤙mathank you

Yes! Going to ED micro dosing will help with lowering Hematocrit. I just got back on after being off for 6 months. I'm micro dosing ED for the same reason. Please go read through the thread below, I do a thorough deep dive about the benefits of micro dosing for lowering E2 and HCT:


Because you're getting regular labs the above link to the thread "Test Question" is going to provide a lot of valuable information for someone doing labs. For the last 6 months I've been trying to get my hematocrit down into range to get a legit script for HRT/TRT. This past Friday I came in at 55 for my HCT, down from 70 in the beginning, yes 70. I've been doing phlebotomy for the last 3-4 months to get my HCT down. I can't get a script for TRT/HRT until I get my HCT into range. I live at altitude, two miles above sea level, primary reason my HCT is so elevated. So, I've been doing a lot of research on how to get my HCT down and keep it down while on TRT/HRT.

Now to explain why micro dosing has an impact on HCT. With every injection comes a spike with your hormonal levels in your blood serum. This raises certain hormones artificially, ie: Testosterone. Well, your body recognizes this spike, but it doesn't know it's dealing with exogenous hormones you injected into the body. What does the body do, it naturally raises your other hormones to bring homeostasis to the endocrine system. So now you have all your hormones balanced out to make sure your endocrine system is properly function as your body was designed to do. The problem is you pinned a good amount at one time by only pinning twice a week causing more than a normal spike compared to when the body naturally releases hormones into your system. This supraphysiological surge of exogenous hormones causes other hormones like estradiol (E2) and SHBG to become elevated beyond what your body normally would elevate them to, to keep homeostasis. One of the other things that gets elevated with a bolus dose of exogenous hormones being injected into the body is your hematocrit level.

The body recognizes the exogenous hormone but doesn't know what to do with it other than what it was innately designed to do. Because you're injecting an artificial hormone into your body, your body is incapable of regulating it, it can only regulate the other hormones it's naturally releasing to balance out all the hormones in the body for proper function of your endocrine system. So, what happens when you pin only twice a week is you get this big surge of a hormone spike in your blood serum. The problem is because your using exogenous testosterone it's serum levels in your blood drop much quicker than the hormones your body is naturally releasing into the system. So, what you end up having is a big spike in testosterone along with the body releasing the other hormones to balance things out causing elevated E1, E2, SHBG, Albumin, etc. Your exogenous Test levels in your blood serum drop faster than the endogenous hormones do. Now your ratios are really skewed causing side effects in the body like acne, moodiness, water retention, elevated HCT, even gyno, etc. What we're looking at here is your Test levels continue to drop at a much faster rate than the other hormones in your body because your body is able to regulate your E1, E2, SHBG, albumin, etc. but not the artificial exogenous testosterone. This causes an imbalance of hormones in the body. One of the most important things about using AAS's is keeping proper ratios between all the hormones.

Most don't understand this; they single out and focus on one thing like elevated E2; then they crush it because they know no better. In certain circumstances it's good to have elevated E2 to keep a good ratio between Test and the other hormones so the body functions properly. Estradiol is a critical part of muscle growth; you crush it, you crush your gains. I could spend hours explaining how and why it's important to balance out hormones in body, but it's not necessary for answering your question and I don't have that kind of time because we're talking at least half a day or better going through everything.

Bottom line is keeping your spikes down through ED micro dosing keeps your body from releasing more hormones at one time than is necessary to bring homeostasis in the blood stream. What this does for you is keeps your hematocrit levels down as well. This past week I just received some new needles, yes, I get excited about this stuff. Seeing now I'm practicing micro dosing for the same reason you want to lower your HCT. I picked up a box of 25G x 5/8, 27g x 1/2, and 21G x 1&1/2 inch (for drawing only). I'm loving the 25G and 27G needles, pain free allowing me to deal with pinning every day. Hell no, do I subscribe to Subcutaneous injections, I think it's stupid to be honest. It's not necessary to do SubQ, I'm a 100% all the time IM guy, no matter what. But it's a preference, you do your injections the way you like to do them.

I hope this post helps you out, feel free to reach out with any other questions. Cheers, Tyler 🍻

Note: for 20 years I did twice a week injection with no issues at all. At least on the surface. It's only been recent that I learned if I'm going to keep my hematocrit down, I have to go to ED micro dosing. Other things that will improve your HCT: staying hydrated, CPAP or O2 machine at night, daily cardio (preferably HIT), stay at lower elevations. Good luck brother 💪😎🤙
Thanks man! Your insight on lowering HCT is very helpful. Gonna dial that in and stay on top of my bloodwork.
 
Thanks man! Your insight on lowering HCT is very helpful. Gonna dial that in and stay on top of my bloodwork.
Anytime brother, glad you were able to get something out of the post. This whole hematocrit thing has become a big focal point of the medical community. So I guess it's another thing we now have to manage to stay healthy in the eyes of big brother.
 
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