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This is going to be my 4th cycle and I wanted to add deca this round. I know that it produce progesterone and wanted to know if I should add caber and at what dose. I was going to run 400 of test and it weekly.
 
This is going to be my 4th cycle and I wanted to add deca this round. I know that it produce progesterone and wanted to know if I should add caber and at what dose. I was going to run 400 of test and it weekly.
How much Deca do you plan to run with your 400mg of Test, 400mg of Deca as well? Don't add caber unless you have to, but you want to have caber on hand if you do need it. You have no idea how your body is going to react to the Deca until you run it. Caber has its issues with side effects. Don't run the caber until you need to, just have it on hand as a precaution.
 
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I was going to run it 400 each per week yes. You probably have more experience in the matter. I was deciding between deca and tren for a bulking cycle and ending up choosing deca. I also thought about equipoise after reading the bottom of the profile on this forum.
 
How much Deca do you plan to run with your 400mg of Test, 400mg of Deca as well? Don't add caber unless you have to, but you want to have caber on hand if you do need it. You have no idea how your body is going to react to the Deca until you run it. Caber has its issues with side effects. Don't run the caber until you need to, just have it on hand as a precaution.
I also ran an ai twice a week last time I ran test 400 and superdrol 50 oral which had some sides of its own but seemed to be good there. I think that would suffice again since it’s not really gonna add much there
 
I was going to run it 400 each per week yes. You probably have more experience in the matter. I was deciding between deca and tren for a bulking cycle and ending up choosing deca. I also thought about equipoise after reading the bottom of the profile on this forum.
Interesting, bulking stay away from Tren. Tren just has serious sides that makes just about anyone feel like shit to get something out of it. EQ is a decent sub for Deca in an off-season bulking phase. But EQ and Deca have very different properties. Deca will raise estrogen levels, EQ will lower estrogen levels. You want your estrogen to be up, but within range without causing sides. Estrogen is critical for building muscle, ie: bulking phase. One reason why Deca is so well-known for building mass. Note: I say mass, not just muscle. Building mass is very important for building pure muscle. EQ is known for building lean muscle. EQ is a favorite amongst Pros, but Pros already have at least 80% of the mass they'll ever be able to put on their frame. Pros want to top off their already built muscle mass with more pure quality muscle they can shape while still looking good for PR purposes. If you want to build as much mass as possible then Test and Deca is a great way to go. If you've never used Deca before experiment with it first before just throwing AI's and a prolactin inhibitor, ie: caber, in your cycle in hope you're doing the right thing. Don't use anything unless you have a purpose. The more Pharmaceuticals you use the more you're creating a toxic environment your body has to deal with. A lot of the time the use of an AI is enough to offset the sides from Deca without needing anything more like Caber. Everyone reacts different, you have to find out for yourself where you're at in the scheme of things. If your body isn't dealing well with the higher amount of Deca you could always lower the Deca to 200 and raise the Test to 600 to keep your weekly dose at 800mg for the week.

Important note: any experienced PED user always has everything on hand in case of an unwanted side popping up no matter what it is. Even if they may never use it. I have SARM's aka: AI, SERM's, and Caber but never use them.
 
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Shit, I keep thinking of more things to add. A SERM as a first response to prolactin flare up, ie: itchy nipples, is more important than throwing Caber at the situation. Caber is more for when things have reached that first phase and you need to jump on it before it gets out of hand and you can still reverse things. SERM = Nolvadex, ie: Tamoxifen.
 
Damn it, more to add. Test is Test and Test is best. Deca is a 19-Nor like Tren, their both in the same inbred family. Even though Tren and Deca are very different in there effects in the body, they're still some of the two most potent common steroids out there. EQ is unique, but a great and underrated compound. I've used EQ in the past but haven't in years because of its properties it elevates my BP and my BP by genetics is higher than normal already. But regardless, EQ is a valuable compound in the steroid world. EQ is one of the very few compounds out there that what you gain you get to keep.
 
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I love this shit. Since you started this thread with your question, my mind keeps reeling with knowledge I've acquired over the years. I just pulled this from ChatGPT to help you understand why you would use Tamoxifen (Novadex) before throwing Caber into a situation with elevated prolactin:

Estrogen → stimulates growth, signaling, and prolactin release

Prolactin → promotes lactation and suppresses reproductive signaling

Progesterone → balances estrogen and restrains prolactin’s effects

Novadex is the best for reeling in estrogen when it gets out of hand in an instant. An AI is instrumental when you know ahead of time you will have to modulate estrogen so it doesn't get out of hand. Caber is for when you were an idiot and didn't pay attention to the very first signs of overly elevated estrogen levels that have now triggered prolactin release requiring the use of Caber.

Reason why I'm bringing all this up is you can use EQ to modulate your estrogen. EQ is a strong estrogen modulator where Deca can get out of control pretty easily. EQ is a slow burn as opposed to Deca's blow you up like a water buffalo in a week or two. Test will always be the base for any run/cycle. So what I'm saying is you can use EQ to keep your estrogen in check while you're running a year long bulking phase that actually makes a difference in your physique. With combining EQ and Deca on top of your Test base for at least 6 months or longer you have a real recipe for growth you can get a tangeable hold onto with real retainable growth. Like a Pro, before he became a Pro. You run something like Test, EQ, Deca for a year with a solid high surplus caloric diet and boom, you become a mass monster, so to speak. There is more, but we're not going there, yet. But have your training dialed in and commitment to training for a year as well. Number One is food intake, again, number one is a quality diet and food intake that's high and you can become the next Nick Walker. Not really, that requires real true genetics, but you can optimize your personal genetics and growth potential.
 
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I greatly appreciate the feedback. I’m gonna make sure I have the caber on hand if needed. I already have an ai but it’s arimidex I think I’m gonna grab nolva too cuz it’s not as strong. I also just had bloods and plan on having them again about a month in and have hcg otw as well. Thanks again really appreciate the help honestly.
 
I greatly appreciate the feedback. I’m gonna make sure I have the caber on hand if needed. I already have an ai. I also just had bloods and plan on having them again about a month in and have hcg otw as well. Thanks again
 
I greatly appreciate the feedback. I’m gonna make sure I have the caber on hand if needed. I already have an ai but it’s arimidex I think I’m gonna grab nolva too cuz it’s not as strong. I also just had bloods and plan on having them again about a month in and have hcg otw as well. Thanks again really appreciate the help honestly.
The arimidex (a SARM) is good for during cycle, but only if needed. Remember, arimidex is very strong, it can crush your estrogen if you take too much. Nolva (a SERM) is great for quickly bringing down higher than normal estrogen levels, ie: PCT and/or itchy nipples, pre-prolactin elevation. Getting your bloodwork done while on is smart on your part. That way you'll know where your estrogen levels are at. What's your age if you don't mind me asking.
 
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The arimidex (a SARM) is good for during cycle, but only if needed. Remember, arimidex is very strong, it can crush your estrogen if you take too much. Nolva (a SERM) is great for quickly bringing down higher than normal estrogen levels, ie: PCT and/or itchy nipples, pre-prolactin elevation. Getting your bloodwork done while on is smart on your part. That way you'll know where your estrogen levels are at. What's your age if you don't mind me asking.
If I had to get npp rather than deconate could I still bulk with it
 
Ok, I feel at 36 your still too young to have to employ HCG in your cycles. When I hit about 45 I had to start using HCG as part of my HRT+. I would save the HCG for PCT. PCT = HCG, Nolvadex and Clomid. I tried a multitude of different PCT protocols and the three listed are what I prefer. Basic and simplistic, you just over lap them to cover the recovery period of your Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Testicular (or Thyroid) Axis (HPTA).
 
If I had to get npp rather than deconate could I still bulk with it
Absolutely, there interchangeable. No matter which ester you use you're still getting the Nandrolone steroid. It just depends on how much you want to dose for the week. To make it simple up front you dose both NPP & Deca twice a week. The main factor is how much you want to take in mg's per week. NPP usually comes in 100mg/ml & 200mg/ml; Deca is anywhere from 200mg/ml to 300mg/ml on average.
 
Absolutely, there interchangeable. No matter which ester you use you're still getting the Nandrolone steroid. It just depends on how much you want to dose for the week. To make it simple up front you dose both NPP & Deca twice a week. The main factor is how much you want to take in mg's per week. NPP usually comes in 100mg/ml & 200mg/ml; Deca is anywhere from 200mg/ml to 300mg/ml on average.
So I was able to grab all three today… well will be here In about a week. I’m thinking of starting at 400 test and 200 deca how much eq do u think I should add to that ?
 
So I was able to grab all three today… well will be here In about a week. I’m thinking of starting at 400 test and 200 deca how much eq do u think I should add to that ?
The 2:1 with Test to Deca is a perfect start. How many mg per ml with the EQ? I'm thinking 200mg of EQ would be a good start. Test 400mg, Deca 200mg and EQ 200mg puts you at 800mg for the week. Don't be afraid to make adjustments to your original dosing protocol with anyone of these three compounds. One good reason is to modulate your estrogen levels. Test is kind of the middle of the road between Deca and EQ and how they all influence estrogen in your body. To make things easy for figuring out what dosage combo brings your estrogen into a good range keep your Test dose constant and make adjustments throw lowering or increasing doses between the Deca and EQ. Deca and Test together have the potential to really increase your estrogen levels, where EQ can really bring down your estrogen. But you don't want EQ to tank your estrogen, but this is going to be hard to do with Test and Deca in the equation trying to raise your estrogen levels. It's good you're getting your bloodwork done at some point in this cycle so that you know if EQ is accomplishing the job at modulating your estrogen with the Test and Deca. EQ doesn't necessarily lower estrogen in everyone, but in most. So it's good to know through bloodwork what's really going on in the body.
 
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You'll like this clip from Big Paul. He covers Test only, EQ, and Deca and how they effect estrogen levels:

 
You'll like this clip from Big Paul. He covers Test only, EQ, and Deca and how they effect estrogen levels:

I will watch that after work. I’ll be honest though one of the reasons I was using the arimidex was shortly after my test injections I would get nipple tenderness and they seemed somewhat hard so I did it due to fear and not being able to constantly get bloods
 
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