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hgh and cutting question

I followed some of them guys to start with vigerous steve and chase irons are people ive watched for years. where the majority of what I trust comes from especially chase irons fuck man 5grams and a mountain of hgh man walks the walk. But then I listen to shit Dave pulpmbo says or has on his podcast or Andrew huberman and some of the longevity people. And then get confused as shit where they spout out things that seems conflicting. Then refer to things I beleive to be true as BRO science. Then I watch Derek, Steve, Leo all show or explain the science behind it then i just accept im retarded and will never fully understand. I have so much in my brain but so little confidence in that knowledge.
 
I had the same thing happen with a reputable brand of clen. Thought it could be bunk, reason I purchased the Test kits for clenbuterol. Never did test it, just switched brands. The Test kit just tells you if the compound in question is present or not, doesn't give you potency. That company offers test kits that will give you potency, but just for the most common anabolics in the market. I know what real clen feels like, it can be rough to deal with, I get jittery, even off 20-40mg for the day, dry mouth and super dehydrated no matter how much water or fluids I would drink. Hard to train later in the day because it can make you feel like shit from the dehydration. To be honest, I'm not the biggest fan of clen, I do better with T3, HGH and a clean caloric restricted diet.
I might have to buy a kit and test it, I get the undying thirst from it and temptress elevation and heart rate but either I develop a very rapid tolerance even with nightly benadryl or its undersosed. Ketotifen and t3 n such will be here soon. I will probably switch off the clen for now and wait. I have to work early today so I didn't try the clen and caffeine
 
When it comes to gear im.pretty confident but the hgh I think I've been mixing in my mental data base people discussing natural gh vs taking exogenous. I have years into my education of gear but hgh is the one In the past so many attributed to bad sides like "gh gut" organ growth and all that without the dose variations labeled next to those claims, I never even contemplated taking it.
 
When it comes to gear im.pretty confident but the hgh I think I've been mixing in my mental data base people discussing natural gh vs taking exogenous. I have years into my education of gear but hgh is the one In the past so many attributed to bad sides like "gh gut" organ growth and all that without the dose variations labeled next to those claims, I never even contemplated taking it.
We're at a point now that it's pretty much been determined that all these peptide secretagogues' for endogenous GH release can't even come close to the use of exogenous HGH. The "GH Gut" has been debunked now as well. Back in the beginning, possibly being influenced by HRT clinics, the trend was to pin your growth SQ in the lower abdominal area. Now it's more IM in whatever muscle being worked, ie: delts bilaterally, even though your growth goes more systemic than localized. Now a days, with the regular use of growth and slin together, guys have really tightened up their diets along with given core work more importance to keep the midsection tight.
 
We're at a point now that it's pretty much been determined that all these peptide secretagogues' for endogenous GH release can't even come close to the use of exogenous HGH. The "GH Gut" has been debunked now as well. Back in the beginning, possibly being influenced by HRT clinics, the trend was to pin your growth SQ in the lower abdominal area. Now it's more IM in whatever muscle being worked, ie: delts bilaterally, even though your growth goes more systemic than localized. Now a days, with the regular use of growth and slin together, guys have really tightened up their diets along with given core work more importance to keep the midsection tight.
I have free insulin probably all the fast acting I could use and a good amount of long acting aswell. Should I dable with the insulin and plan my meals around it or set it aside for another day? Not trying to bulk and add in extra carbs and such. I'm on a mild cut/ recomp cycle atm. Reading fantastic things about it cutting or bulking but insulin is pretty new to me aswell in a ped context.
edit: Basaglar and novolog

Also I heard chase irons talking about doing same weekly load of hgh but split into 3 days instead of daily boosting igf 1 in some people significantly more then daily. Thoughts?
 
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I am a clen lover.
the injectable version is something crazy.🤤🤤
obviously everyone has their favorite and hated products
 
I have free insulin probably all the fast acting I could use and a good amount of long acting aswell. Should I dable with the insulin and plan my meals around it or set it aside for another day? Not trying to bulk and add in extra carbs and such. I'm on a mild cut/ recomp cycle atm. Reading fantastic things about it cutting or bulking but insulin is pretty new to me aswell in a ped context.
edit: Basaglar and novolog

Also I heard chase irons talking about doing same weekly load of hgh but split into 3 days instead of daily boosting igf 1 in some people significantly more then daily. Thoughts?
Great question but I would like to give some depth to my response. Can you wait till over this weekend?
 
I am a clen lover.
the injectable version is something crazy.🤤🤤
obviously everyone has their favorite and hated products
damn dude I didn't know there was injectable clen. It's funny to me the range of responses people have to clen. So far I'm not for or against it really. It just exists in my realm to be fair. But it is hard to say if what I have is legit or under dosed. My caffeine abuse to stay awake on most days is harder on me then the clen was.

I ended up pulling clen out for now, waited for my ketotifen and telemisartan n such to get here and will give it another go sooner or later.
 
I have free insulin probably all the fast acting I could use and a good amount of long acting aswell. Should I dable with the insulin and plan my meals around it or set it aside for another day? Not trying to bulk and add in extra carbs and such. I'm on a mild cut/ recomp cycle atm. Reading fantastic things about it cutting or bulking but insulin is pretty new to me aswell in a ped context.
edit: Basaglar and novolog

Also I heard chase irons talking about doing same weekly load of hgh but split into 3 days instead of daily boosting igf 1 in some people significantly more then daily. Thoughts?
Let's get Chase Irons out of the way first. This 3-day split for the week he's talking about has been debated for at least 10 years now. Chase is experimenting and posting about it in real time. He's a smart man with good common sense, but he's experimenting and trying different logical angles. Whoever thought of shooting all 18iu's before bed before Chase declared that is what he was doing. The underlying key that all the current influencers are trying to convey is that we all need to experiment and find out what works best for us personally. Vigorous Steve, Paul Barnett, Dr. Todd Lee, Skip Hill, Andrew Berry, and the list goes on. All of these well-informed individuals continue to talk about how everyone needs to find what works best for themselves. Bloodwork, bloodwork, bloodwork, if you have the time and money to put down for constant bloodwork. That will give you a pretty damn good idea of how all these protocols are working for you.

Insulin on a cut, first and foremost, base your insulin iu's around your carb intake and not the other way around. Start your baseline with the old standard of 1iu for every 10g of carbs. Keep it basic and simple this first time around. Don't plan your meals around the slin, it's the other way around. Stick to ONLY the fast-acting slin for now, I would save the long acting slin for a bulk and only use it after having some experience with the fast-acting slin and more knowledge about implementing the long acting slin. Seeing you're not prepping for a show or anything like that, this is your perfect time to experiment and see how you respond to adding slin into a cut. I assume HGH is part of the equation, it should be. To start I would only use the slin intra-workout and post workout to keep your muscles feed with nutrients to prevent as much muscle breakdown as possible and to help with recovery from being in a semi-depleted state. If you've never used slin intra-workout, be cautious and keep a fast-acting sugar or glucose with you at all times. Much easier to go hypo quick during a workout. If your intra-shack (mandatory) has 40g of carbs you can always start out at 2iu's but go no higher than 4iu's in the very beginning. Make sure you choose a good quality intra-workout drink or shack. It's alright to have more than one shack during your training, especially if your sessions are going longer than say an hour and a half, just keep your iu's in line with your carb intake and remember that your intra shacks are part of your daily calories and macros. As time goes on and you feel more comfortable you could titrate up in 1iu increments. As you become more comfortable with slin during a workout you can start to experiment, just pay attention to becoming lightheaded, if you become dizzy get your ass to the gym bag or locker room and get your sugar or glucose into your system (drink, gel, bar, whatever works).

Post workout slin with your post workout meal. Same old standard protocol of 1iu of slin for every 10g of carbs. After a while of seeing how this works for yourself, you can experiment with titrating up or down depending on how well your cut is coming along. Remember, the main focus is the cut, not how much slin you can shove into yourself. Depending on when you work out and how your meals are laid out for the day you can always use the slin for your second post workout meal, but I would keep it to this protocol in the beginning to see how it's working for you. So slin during your workouts and post meals (no more than 2 post meals) and see what you think. Remember keep your cut on track, pay constant attention to leaning out and achieving your cut/recomp goals. For the cut the slin is to help spare muscle tissue breakdown, speed up recovery during a depleted state, and maintaining a little fulness instead of being completely flat. Keep it in moderation, especially for the first time around. Good luck my brother keep us updated with how it's going and feel free to ask questions as you move forward, Tyler
 
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damn dude I didn't know there was injectable clen. It's funny to me the range of responses people have to clen. So far I'm not for or against it really. It just exists in my realm to be fair. But it is hard to say if what I have is legit or under dosed. My caffeine abuse to stay awake on most days is harder on me then the clen was.

I ended up pulling clen out for now, waited for my ketotifen and telemisartan n such to get here and will give it another go sooner or later.
What dosage do you take?
 
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