hgh and cutting question

[dasdudehghme]

I am totally new to hgh havent used any yet. I am currently on Trt and planning out a cut with test/mast 2:1 and maybe clen but it makes me nervous.
likely
200 test weekly
100 mast weekly may go up depending on E2
split into EOD
Should I utilize the hgh starting now then increase as I'm bulking or just save the hgh for when I'm on a bulk cycle? I have plenty of hgh atm.

 

[VakarianSK]

If you have plenty I would run it year round. HGH is a compound that is good no matter what phase your in.

 

[FREAK]

If you have plenty I would run it year round. HGH is a compound that is good no matter what phase your in.

Bingo. If you have enough run year-round. Know what dose you plan on running? It doesn't take much. The longer you can run it the better in my opinion.

 

[dasdudehghme]

I have 7 or 800iu coming in any day now, and can afford to keep it going with the sources if found recently. I planned to taper up to 4 iu after 6 weeks just b4 I upp my AAS doses and actually cycle should I stay at 4 iu or up it even more?

 

[dasdudehghme]

I will try to find my cycle and post it

 

[dasdudehghme]

weeks compound
1-4 hgh 2iu
5-6 hgh 3iu
7-20 hgh 4iu

1-8 test 150
primo 100-150 E2 dictates

9-20 test 350
primo 250-350 E2 again

1-20 L-carnatine 500mg pre workout
cialis 5-10mg pre weight training

Something along these lines first 8 weeks is cutting last 8 is minor bulk/lean gains for spring / summer

Then after some time im contemplating a nadrolone bulk. I also have masteron i could switch out with primo

 

[dasdudehghme]

also have clen, and maybe anavar coming in with my hgh. Clen scares me atm tho doubt I will touch it any time soon

 

[Tyler Durden]

If you have plenty I would run it year round. HGH is a compound that is good no matter what phase your in.

Bingo. If you have enough run year-round. Know what dose you plan on running? It doesn't take much. The longer you can run it the better in my opinion.

100%, with what you have on hand, I agree with VakarianSK and FREAK, run it year-round. 2iu will be maintenance and pars well with TRT doses. You can titrate the dose up 1 IU at a time and see how you feel. The main thing is going to be how you deal with tingling numb hands, if this occurs. Whatever dose you settle in at for the most part is going to be personal preference. In general, 4iu's is considered optimal for fat loss split into two doses for the day, ie: 2iu's in the morning and 2iu's before bed. Or you could just take all 4iu's at once for the day, say Pre or Post workout or before bed. It's really personal preference, general rule of thumb is just getting your daily doses in for the day each and every day. You really don't have to worry about any negative sides until you get to 6iu's or more per day. Then you may want to consider supplementing T4 and possibly Berberine or Metformin to keep your insulin sensitivity in check. Blood work will give you your most accurate answers as to your next steps or what you may need to supplement with at the time. With the AAS doses you listed, I would say 2 - 4iu's per day will be ideal. You could always experiment with 6iu's/day and see how you feel, but it's really personal preference at this point.

 

[Tyler Durden]

also have clen, and maybe anavar coming in with my hgh. Clen scares me atm tho doubt I will touch it any time soon

I'm curious, why are you scared of clen?

 

[dasdudehghme]

I'm curious, why are you scared of clen?

I've just read so many people's experiences with it being anxiety inducing and just comparable to all the uncomfortable parts of taking adderall or something.
I contemplated t3/t4 my next bloods are in a week and depending if my thyroid is still on the low side I may start taking it any how. If thyroid is normal I will delay that and try the Clen.

 

[dasdudehghme]

I want to get ketotifen, albuteral/ salbutamol to try out instead of the clen,

The sides with hgh I should be pretty tolerant of and have the supplements to help counteract some of the sides aswell.

 

[dasdudehghme]

100%, with what you have on hand, I agree with VakarianSK and FREAK, run it year-round. 2iu will be maintenance and pars well with TRT doses. You can titrate the dose up 1 IU at a time and see how you feel. The main thing is going to be how you deal with tingling numb hands, if this occurs. Whatever dose you settle in at for the most part is going to be personal preference. In general, 4iu's is considered optimal for fat loss split into two doses for the day, ie: 2iu's in the morning and 2iu's before bed. Or you could just take all 4iu's at once for the day, say Pre or Post workout or before bed. It's really personal preference, general rule of thumb is just getting your daily doses in for the day each and every day. You really don't have to worry about any negative sides until you get to 6iu's or more per day. Then you may want to consider supplementing T4 and possibly Berberine or Metformin to keep your insulin sensitivity in check. Blood work will give you your most accurate answers as to your next steps or what you may need to supplement with at the time. With the AAS doses you listed, I would say 2 - 4iu's per day will be ideal. You could always experiment with 6iu's/day and see how you feel, but it's really personal preference at this point.

I was planning to taper up to 4iu a couple weeks before I increase the anabolics, 2iu when I wake up then fasted cardio and 2iu before bed.
Do you think 6iu would give me a more significant advantage while I'm running more anabolics? I was planning around 12 weeks of increased anabolics. Then back to trt

 

[Musmadar]

I want to get ketotifen, albuteral/ salbutamol to try out instead of the clen,

The sides with hgh I should be pretty tolerant of and have the supplements to help counteract some of the sides aswell.

You need to have Ketotifen prepared just in case you get some sides from clen.

 

[Tyler Durden]

I've just read so many people's experiences with it being anxiety inducing and just comparable to all the uncomfortable parts of taking adderall or something.
I contemplated t3/t4 my next bloods are in a week and depending if my thyroid is still on the low side I may start taking it any how. If thyroid is normal I will delay that and try the Clen.

Reason why I asked the question is clen is the most popular fat burner and the first go to when it comes to shedding fat. I personally have better luck with T3 than clen when it comes to shedding fat and not having to deal with sides. For me, I don't experience any anxiety, but clen can give me the amped up jitters and dehydrates me no matter how much water I'm taking in, and it just gets worse the more I take. These days you don't hear much talk about it, but back in the day clen was viewed as a dirty drug, meaning after it's broken down in the body, its byproducts would kind of pollute the body before being detoxified from the body. In the end all that you can do is experiment and see how the clen or T3/T4 affects you personally and go from there. I just picked up some semaglutide to try it out for the first time and see what it's like for shedding some fat before summer.

 

[Tyler Durden]

I was planning to taper up to 4iu a couple weeks before I increase the anabolics, 2iu when I wake up then fasted cardio and 2iu before bed.
Do you think 6iu would give me a more significant advantage while I'm running more anabolics? I was planning around 12 weeks of increased anabolics. Then back to trt

With the amount of anabolics you previously listed, I believe the range was 300-700mg for the week. I think you're on target here with 4iu/day and you can try 6iu/day and see what you think. There are no real adverse effects to be too concerned about with your doses outside of potentially dealing with the numb hands. If you're getting your bloods done just keep an eye on your A1C and T4/T3 levels. Recent protocol, but definitely something you don't have to adhere to, is 1iu of HGH to every 250mg of AAS. It's just a template, nothing to live by. With the AAS doses you listed it won't hurt anything to try 6iu's a day of growth.

 

[dasdudehghme]

. Recent protocol, but definitely something you don't have to adhere to, is 1iu of HGH to every 250mg of AAS. It's just a template, nothing to live by. With the AAS doses you listed it won't hurt anything to try 6iu's a day of growth.

interesting I haven't read that anywhere yet. Thanks for the input. I will likely try 6iu

 

[dasdudehghme]

You need to have Ketotifen prepared just in case you get some sides from clen.

I didn't know ketotifen helped with the sides?
Got any tips of who has some domestic America.
I thought it just help reset your tolerance so you could maintain a lower dosage.

 

[dasdudehghme]

Reason why I asked the question is clen is the most popular fat burner and the first go to when it comes to shedding fat. I personally have better luck with T3 than clen when it comes to shedding fat and not having to deal with sides. For me, I don't experience any anxiety, but clen can give me the amped up jitters and dehydrates me no matter how much water I'm taking in, and it just gets worse the more I take. These days you don't hear much talk about it, but back in the day clen was viewed as a dirty drug, meaning after it's broken down in the body, its byproducts would kind of pollute the body before being detoxified from the body. In the end all that you can do is experiment and see how the clen or T3/T4 affects you personally and go from there. I just picked up some semaglutide to try it out for the first time and see what it's like for shedding some fat before summer.

Albuteral/ salbutamol ideally with ketotifen from my reading sounded like a pretty effective alternative to both. It's hard to find both state side or without shipping being prohibitively exspensive. I can get the raws from China but that would be a month or more at this point.

 

[Musmadar]

I didn't know ketotifen helped with the sides?
Got any tips of who has some domestic America.
I thought it just help reset your tolerance so you could maintain a lower dosage.

Clenbuterol usage can lead to heightened beta-2 adrenergic receptor sensitivity, resulting in diminished effects after a few weeks. Ketotifen's role is crucial in maintaining prolonged receptor sensitivity. By inhibiting the downregulation of these receptors, ketotifen ensures that clenbuterol continues to exert its bronchodilator and thermogenic effects.

Moreover, clenbuterol may induce sleep disturbances, jitteriness, and increased heart rate. Ketotifen, with its antihistamine properties, can alleviate these side effects. It promotes better sleep quality and reduces the anxiety or restlessness often associated with clenbuterol use.

 

[Tyler Durden]

I've used Benadryl in the past to keep receptors upregulated when using Clen. Here is a post from another board that compares Ketotifen to Benadryl:

I found this explanation on another board which appears to agree with a study I found on PubMed.
The study discusses the reduced degradation of methylated phospholipids which is associated with desensitization of the beta adrenergic receptors after prolonged stimulation. Sheez. Basically its preserving the membranes around beta receptors.
Anyways this is based around clen but should be the same general premise with albuterol or ephedra. So here u go:

"Due to the fact that clenbuterol is a beta-2 agonist/antagonist the downregulation of the cardiac, pulmonary and central nervous system beta-adrenergic receptors is an issue that users must combat when using this compound (3). A proven method to help alleviate this effect and ensure that the clenbuterol remains effective throughout its use is via the administration of ketotifen (7). Ketotifen is a prescription anti-histimines that acts to reduce beta-2 receptor activity. By reducing this activity, the receptor function is restored to nearly its original capability and the potency of the clenbuterol remains in effect. Doses of two to ten milligrams of ketotifen have been used by users of clenbuterol, but most would be well served to start at lower doses. It is unlikely that many will need doses higher then 5 milligrams per day. Taking ketotifen for seven days every two to three weeks should be enough to maintain well functioning beta-2 receptors and ensure that the clenbuterol maintains its effectiveness.

An alternative to ketotifen may be diphenhydramine, commonly referred to as Benedryl. Benadryl is a cationic ampiphylic drug, with this fact being significant because cationic ampiphylic drugs have the ability to inhibit phospholipase A2 and therefore upgrade beta-2 receptors (8). The inhibition of the enzyme phospholipase A2 is key due to it being responsible for methylated phospholipids. It is thought that by reducing and/or ending this action this allows the phospholipid membrane to remain relatively intact and the beta-adrenoreceptors will be able to remain functioning at their full capacity, or near to it, for much longer. For most, an effective dose would be 50-100mgs per day for seven days every three weeks while running clenbuterol. Users would be well served to take this dosage just prior to going to sleep as it will likely cause drowsiness.

Having said this, there is much more anecdotal feedback in regards to the effectiveness of ketotifen in relation to clenbuterol then there is Benedryl simply because ketotifen has been used much longer by strength athletes and bodybuilders for this purpose. As well, there is seemingly more direct research that indicates that ketotifen is effective while only a few studies suggest the same of Benedryl.. That is not to say that Benedryl is ineffective, just that there is less “real world” feedback as to its use with clenbuterol.

This prevention of the downregulation of the beta-2 receptors is important since it appears that clenbuterol gains effectiveness and produces its best results if it is run for six weeks or longer. This is true of fat loss and muscle mass gain it appears. For this reason most users will want to run clenbuterol for at least six weeks and ensure that they use some protection against receptor downregulation so that the clenbuterol remains effective throughout. "